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17 July 2012 @ 11:42 pm
Do you guys know what I hate~  

When I'm browsing through youtube videos of a favourite character or another, and inevitably there will be arguments of "were they gay/were they not gay" in the comments. Inevitably, these will be polarizing arguments. Inevitably, also, the detractors are just utterly convinced that there would have been officially-kept records of, say, two guys sleeping together - and if there are no such records to find, it automatically rules the whole option out forever and ever amen.

I'm very much of the "if we don't know, we don't know" school of thought. Sometimes you can't make claims either way. Actually, often you can't make claims either way - about anyone, unless they tell you. And people tell about personal things a lot less often than your average Eraser of Anything Queer Ever would think. You know who most certainly won't tell you anymore? Historical figures.

Look, I don't want much. I just wish this sort of minimal acknowledgment of complexity and/or uncertainty weren't totally lost on most people.


Alternatively: ABOLISH YOUTUBE COMMENTS

 
 
 
tiamariaanactoria on July 17th, 2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
[insert clapping .gif here]
See you later, instigator: Adrian - Nostalgia by Veidtoudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
Ha, thanks! I know just which one to imagine.
Melmo: cloak and tiemustntgetmy on July 17th, 2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
Apart from 4chan, YouTube is where the refuse of humanity goes to spill its guts so yeah...I'm all for abolishing comments there.

That said - seriously? Records? Why, throughout a history that is largely unaccepting of two men or women sleeping together, would anyone want to keep records of something that might get them put in jail or worse? And you know even if there were records it wouldn't be "official" to these commenters unless the historical figure clearly checked off a box that said "gay" or some such nonsense.
See you later, instigator: Nulloudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
I've never been brave enough to set foot into 4chan. But the legends sure are something.

I KNOW, RIGHT? Considering a lot of the historical people I'm interested in had some power interest going on, it's really unlikely that even if something did happen, they'd want to be handing potential opponents ammunition (unless the culture in question was accepting, but even then, risk it). I absolutely hate the fact that no matter what tactic you use, you're going to wind up with some sort of disadvantage or erasure if you're LGBTQ.

And you know even if there were records it wouldn't be "official" to these commenters unless the historical figure clearly checked off a box that said "gay" or some such nonsense.
Pretty much. Their worldview is that "gay is never canon, even when it's canon." :/
Melmo: Hedwig at the endmustntgetmy on July 18th, 2012 11:34 pm (UTC)
Funny story: one of my IRL friends is dating a guy who's friends with one of the 4chan founders. So I indirectly know the creator of that madness!

How do people not realize this! Particularly when, as they comment on whether or not someone was gay, they're standing in the role of persecutor. Though I guess that's they're privilege talking...as always.

We can't ruin the memory of these otherwise perfect historical figures after all!!!11!!
See you later, instigator: Ishida Mitsunari (SW) - biggest fanoudeteron on July 19th, 2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
...okay, that's simultaneously amazing and unsettling. XD

Particularly when, as they comment on whether or not someone was gay, they're standing in the role of persecutor.
This! The worst thing about privilege is that everyone seems to be aware of the fact it exists...except for those who have it in a particular area. Those people seem to be the most keen to tell you to shut up about the fact that they're privileged.

And don't get me started; I hate the idea that being 100% straight is "perfect" and everything else a "blemish" on that supposed "perfection".
Melmo: Harry by Shell Cottagemustntgetmy on July 19th, 2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
Agreed.

Ugh, and really, what would it cost them to be like, "Yeah, I know that doesn't affect me because I'm white/cis/male/rich/etc," and then shut the fuck up and go back to enjoying their goddamn privilege.

IA! And also, I think it's got to be really, really rare for anyone to be 100% straight (or 100% gay) so these people are being even more hypocritical.
See you later, instigator: Kyo - singingoudeteron on July 21st, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
But that would mean they're not the centre of the universe! Clearly, we can't have that.

I'm inclined to agree. Obviously, people identify how they identify and if someone says "I'm gay/straight only" I take their word for it, but we should keep in mind how recent that sort of rigid categorization in people's understanding of sexuality is. So, yeah.
Melmo: flowers and bookmustntgetmy on July 21st, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
Perish the thought!

And I think when people are saying they're gay or straight they're thinking of the purely of the 'sex' in sexuality. Long story short: IA!
The Heavy Metal Matador: Frylockrydain on July 18th, 2012 12:32 am (UTC)
Yeah, seriously. The basics of sexual orientation aren't hard to understand, nor is the concept that one can have attractions or relationships without them being chiseled in stone for the benefit of various knuckle draggers umpty years later. I'm convinced that most YouTube comments came out of a keysmash to text translator.
See you later, instigator: Kojirou/Musashi - up close and personaloudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
Agreed so much. And the keysmash-to-text translation would explain so many things.
kohl_eyed on July 18th, 2012 02:17 am (UTC)
Instead of abolishing YouTube comments, you could translate them into harmless gibberish!

http://laughingsquid.com/herp-derp-for-youtube-convert-youtube-comments-to-gibberish/

My policy is to think of everyone as queer until proven otherwise, which is just as bad as the other stance, I suppose, but helpful as far as maintaining my sanity goes. Because fuck heteronormativity.
See you later, instigator: Rainbowoudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
I admit, now that I know about the origin of the phrase "herp derp" I'm not thrilled that that's what they picked for this extension, but I would be all over one that actually gave you keyboardsmash. Or an endless repetition of "WE ARE X". /bricked

Haha, mine as well! Or rather, I just assume everyone could be anything until they declare themselves to be of one sexuality in particular. Shockingly, most people don't see the point in declaring that all over the place, so I can but stick with my initial non-assumption! And problem bloody solved.

Compulsory heterosexuality is the worst.
Cherrycherrytruck on July 18th, 2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
LUL BUTHURT FAG
SUCKON N MITSNARI WERENT GAY THERE STRATE HAD A WIFE AND TWO KIDS SO THEY R STRAIHT MAN UNLIKE U WHO R LONELY FAGOT
GO FAP TO UR DUMB YAOI HENTIA
Cherry: Kazcherrytruck on July 18th, 2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
Also I see you used this post to use your new-found tag, KONGRATULATIONS
See you later, instigator: Gigaville - coffeeoudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:33 pm (UTC)
Indeed, I KALLED UPON IT AND IT RESPONDED

/shot
See you later, instigator: Fuuma Kotarou (SW) - contrastingoudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
GAHHH WHY IS YOUR TROLLING SO...I'M NOT GONNA SAY AUTHENTIC BUT YOU CAN IMPERSONATE THOSE ASSHOLES REALLY WELL.

XD
Cherry: Big Boss Naked Camocherrytruck on July 18th, 2012 06:36 pm (UTC)
TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE?

DUM DUM DUUUUM
See you later, instigator: Gigaville - ultimate expressionoudeteron on July 18th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
LOL WHAT THE HELL IS THAT EVEN SUPPOSED TO MEAN
Lucie ~ Dangerousdangerouss on July 23rd, 2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
Not only on YouTube...!
I agree.
See you later, instigator: Toshioudeteron on July 28th, 2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
You're totally right, unfortunately. My problem is that I do need to get on youtube sometimes, so that's where I get exposed to them most!